BrawlerHorde banned by TheJumbleSeagull

BrawlerHorde banned by TheJumbleSeagull Jul 25, 2019 0:03:11 GMT 1

Post by brawlerhorde on Jul 25, 2019 0:03:11 GMT 1

General Information

BYOND Key: BrawlerHorde

Ban Information

Ban Type (JOBBAN/BAN): JOBBAN
Ban Length: 1 Week
Ban Issued Date/Time (in GMT+1): July 24, 2019 at approximately 11:40PM GMT+1
Official Ban Reason (N/A if unknown): "Perma'd a player for breaking into the captains office, despite this player being CE and not stealing or even getting inside (Simply attempting to get in). Was warned by an admin this was not the correct way to approach the situation but still continued on."
Jobbanned From (if JOBBAN): Captain, Head of Personnel, Head of Security, Chief Engineer, Research Director, Chief Medical Officer, Warden, Detective, Security Officer

Appeal

Appeal Type (FULL/LENGTH): FULL
Appeal Basis (INJUSTICE/PLEA): INJUSTICE
Explanation: I was not given adequate time to address IC issues and OOC chat with the admin. I was intending to hold the CE in the permabrig cell while he was AFK, leaving him his headset and a note to explain why he was in there for when he returned. I fully intended to remove him from the cell, question him, and then justly apply punishment upon conclusion of the interrogation. Instead, I was given less than a couple minutes to make sense of the entire debacle and jobbanned with no avenue for defense.
Evidence (if INJUSTICE): Admin PM from-TheJumbleSeagull: His crime wasnt a capital offence / PM to-Admins: Not capital, but we're interrogating him#Keeping him in here for a minute / Admin PM from-TheJumbleSeagull: You cannot hold him for longer than his sentence, for all purposes he's served half his sentence already / PM to-Admins: We haven't even sentenced or questioned him yet#What do you mean / Admin PM from-TheJumbleSeagull: You have him in a cell, and his sentence is obvious. Roleplaying the interrogation isnt required and is wasting player time / Admin PM from-TheJumbleSeagull: Due to your incompetence to even heed what I'm telling you and you practically rule 1'ing a player for a rather minor offence, you're being jobbanned for 1 week from all Command and Security positions. Feel free to appeal thjis on our forum. / PM to-Admins: Nice. Jobbanning me over keeping an SSD'd player held until he can defend himself. I left him his headset and everything.

BrawlerHorde banned by TheJumbleSeagull Jul 25, 2019 21:58:22 GMT 1

Post by Killing Torcher on Jul 25, 2019 21:58:22 GMT 1

I've investigated the case and have come to a conclusion.

First, the admin that banned you inputted the incorrect time for the jobban, which he himself rectified as soon as it was noticed. Your actual jobban was supposed to be 3 days, however by mistake an extra zero was added. The admin noticed the mistake after <24 hrs of the original ban had passed, and changed the ban length to 1 day, which means your ban expires in a few hours (if I read the server times correctly).

Getting that out of the way,

Long story short, the ban itself is legitimate. Here are things you did wrong:
-Fullstripping is not allowed by Space Law unless you are legitimately permaing someone
-You cannot use the perma cells for interrogation
-You cannot hold someone for longer than it takes to search them or legitimately process them, unless they are being arrested. If they are being arrested, they must be given brig time. Any time spent interrogating or unnecessarily dragging them around must taken off their time. Since you were interrogating them, I assume they weren't being formally charged with anything - which means they shouldn't have been in cuffs to begin with.

In addition, all the things you did to them, very highly indicated you were permaing them. I agree with the admin that it was not an unfair assumption that you had every intent to perma the individual. That was a very valid assumption to make. Especially considering that you knew how to give them prisoner clothes, yet mysteriously did not know that interrogation exists?

Either way, what you did is indicative of a highly incompetent Head of Staff / Captain. We have very strict standards for Heads of Staff and Security on our server.

An exception to this is when someone is highly suspected of having committed a capital crime. In that case, you can hold them and drag them around while you do your investigation. But you must be as quick as possible - if you find enough evidence to convict them you can either perma or execute (if you have HoS/Cap authorization). If not, you have to release them.

As luck would have it however, your ban should run out in a few hours due to technical mistakes the admin made in banning you, but as far as I am concerned the ban is legitimate.